Hmmm…over at Pharyngula things have come to a pretty pass(!) Further to my previous post, I hadn’t realised quite how much P Z Myers’ ‘Bravo, Germany’ thread had descended into anti-semitism, irrational conspiracy theories and outright promotion of revisionist history and holocaust denial until later on I read past the idiot who posted the ‘Germans are a race’ remark. What started off ostensibly as a thread about the city of Cologne banning circumcision of male children seems to have degenerated fairly rapidly into a noticeboard for those who wished to post far-right Nazi propaganda, too.
First off, there’s the poster calling himself Joachim:
26 June 2012 at 8:15 pm
Great to see those GERMANS taking a swipe at a well known JEWISH practice!
Those Germans just never quit. BRAVO!</
Then, we have a serial far right anti-semite and apologist for the likes of David Irving, Ernst Zundel and Jean-Marie Le Pen jumping on the bandwagon, given free rein by P Z Myers to obsessively post such venom as this:
1. bernarda says:
27 June 2012 at 6:57 am
Gnumann N° 6. You are clueless. There is no increase in racism against Muslims and Jews. For the first group, some of them look for any reason to be offended and want their barbaric practices like the Sharia recognized by the state. For the second, anti-semitism does not exist, at least in any organized form. Of course there a always a few individuals who do not like one group or another. But the Jews are more protected by the state in Europe than any other group.
If there is a fight or some contention between a goy and a Jew for whatever reason, the Jewish organizations immediately cry “anti-semitism”. If a Jew is a victim of a crime, the police spend more time investigating it than if the victim was Muslim or Black. When an author writes a pro-palestinian book, he and his readers risk being attacked by Jewish thugs, as has happened to Alain Sorel among others.
When anyone cries “anti-semitism”, I know that they are simply Zionists who care more about Israel than anything else, including their home country.
. A few years ago a young Jewish man was kidnapped in France and ransom demanded. The police spent weeks, maybe months, investigating and found the perpetrators, too late though. At around the same time, a black African student was found murdered in Marseille. Of course the police investigated for weeks, but never found the killer and dropped the case. If the African had been Jewish, I think the outcome might have been different.
“a fucker like you pop up to say “they just leech on Holocaust-guilt!”.” Ya, a fucker like Norman Finkelstein who wrote, “The Holocaust Industry”. Now you will just say that he is a self-hating Jew. That is always the knee-jerk response.
Xian and Muslim tombs are desecrated every year too. Just because you don’t like someone’s ideas or books, there is no excuse for accepting a violent response to them. As to the Protcols, I said that there were individuals who have such ideas, but there is not organized anti-semitism.
“Several elected politicians are Holocaust deniers, as well as some historians.” What are the politicians name and at what level are they elected. The “historians” you mention are roundly decried. France has several silly laws prohibiting free speech on different subjects, including Holocaust denial. People have been convicted and fined for it. These laws are criticized by real historians who argue that the state has no business establishing official histories which are the only ones allowed.
Le Pen–a war criminal and an admitted torturer in Algeria–he is best known for his comment that the extermination camps were “a point of detail” in WWII. That is an arguable statement, because none of the Allies fought Hitler to save the Jews. They didn’t bomb the camps or the railway lines.
Several prominent Jews have said that they can’t say he is anti-semitic.
Notice not once does P Z Myers caution ‘Bernada’ or threaten her with his infamous banhammer yet here she is spouting Neo-Nazi conspiracy theories, promoting vile revisionist holocaust denying lies as a serious alternative to the history of the Third Reich and claiming that Jews control everything through what she claims is their disproportionate power and influence(!)
Hmmm…just what does one have to do to get banned and thrown into Myers’ jealously guarded cyberdungeon these days? Apparently, if my own personal experience is anything to go by, he’ll come down on you like a ton of bricks if you question his transphobia and sexism yet if you’re a Neo-Nazi who hijacks an atheist thread about male circumcision to promote holocaust denial and anti-semitic conspiracy theories Professor Rationality will furnish you with carte blanche.
…Or maybe it’s just that Bernada is not a transsexual – or at least not a self-identifying one? So much easier to ban someone like Becky Transsexual who’s already a marginalised outsider, hey Professor Myers?
Perhaps, the most disappointing thing, however, is the apparent indifference displayed to Bernada (and others’) obssesive anti-semitic Neo-Nazi hate-filled outpourings from the other regular ‘Pharyngulites’. Not once are her obnoxious and – amongst an internet community who constantly boast of their rationality it has to be emphasised –
rants challenged by any of the regulars who relentlessly seem to boast of their politically progressive cred. Depressing still, is the indifference displayed by self-proclaimed ‘politically active’ German posters such as Rorschach, Pelamun and Gillel; the latter two of which continue whittering on about comparative irrelevancies in between Bernada’s Jew-hating, Nazi-promoting, holocaust-denying posts which punctuate their intellectually moribund natter.
Hmmm…meethinks either some folk are blissfully unaware of the growth of the far-right in their midst, simply don’t care – or maybe this is just simply another example of the diffusion of responsibility or bystander syndrome that I learnt about in my psychology class which is perfectly illustrated by the photograph featured above?